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The book, <i>Yoni Shakti,</i>
I wrote between 2010 and 2012.

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And <i>Yoni Shakti</i> is a women's guide
to power and freedom,

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through yoga and tantra.

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It's about bringing people
back into a respectful reconnection

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with the rhythms of Earth
and the vitality of life.

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<i>Om</i>

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I was interested to see who else
is connecting to these practices.

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And that is how I found out
about the school in Denmark.

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And I was, like, "That is interesting."

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So I put a two-line reference,
almost like a footnote.

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And I didn't think anymore
about it until 2020,

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when I was contacted
by a reader and she expressed horror.

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Because she had been
studying at that school,

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and knew about the terrible things
that had happened.

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And then from that,
I connected with other people

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who'd had similar experiences.

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So they all were saying
the same kind of thing.

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So, I found their website

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and this little Danish yoga studio
was actually part of this

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Atman International Federation.

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There are members across the world.

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And when you look on each one,
each one has got a different name.

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In Romania, it's called MISA.

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In Sweden, it's also called Natha Yoga.

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So when you get to England… Tara.

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So you wouldn't know
that's anything to do with it.

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And at this point I was, like,

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"Oh… my… God.

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It's everywhere."

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It was my life.

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Okay, this is ten years ago for me,

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but there are still women
going through this now.

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They claimed that it was consensual,

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and framed me as a liar.

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<i>Have you had sex
with any of the followers of MISA?</i>

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I wanted to move,
to leave from this position I was,

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and he grabbed both my wrists

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and put them on the bed. Like, "Be quiet."

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Just felt like, "I gotta get outta here."

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I couldn't take any more at that point.

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He is…

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portrayed as sexually obsessed.

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This is what we see from the files.

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Paris. Romania. Guru. Cult.

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The testimony of Ashleigh.

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He's the missing piece that I needed.

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<i>Just watch them squirm.</i>

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It started and ended…

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with him.

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July 2019, when I left Paris…

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I guess I knew that there was
sexual abuse happening, but I didn't…

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at that point, piece together trafficking.

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But I was just on this, kind of,
constant reading rampage.

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Becoming really, kind of, obsessed
with understanding it more and more.

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The school was still operating,
everything was fine.

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And I just knew that every single day
more and more women

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were going through those same experiences
and being sent to Paris.

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So Ashleigh got in contact with me

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and basically revealed
why she had left the school.

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I was just, like, "The fuck is going on?"

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So I confronted
the main coordinators from Sweden,

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and they're just, like, "It's all lies."

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I think he, sort of, thought
he could make some change from within,

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and that perhaps people would understand
and they could break free from Bivolaru

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and continue all the good parts
of the school.

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And he wasn't able to recognize
that Bivolaru was the school.

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The response was,

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"Our belief is so strong
that we will do whatever it takes

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and we will support him no matter what."

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And in that moment
I just felt, like, this shudder,

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and this coldness come over me,
and just thinking, like,

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"That's the, sort of indoctrination
that leads people to drink Kool-Aid.

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That's their Jonestown,
sort of, ideology of…

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'You're so aligned with this individual

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that you will do whatever it takes
at whatever cost to protect him?'"

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And I just got so scared, I thought,
"Holy shit. These… They're gone."

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So, it was around May, 2020,

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that I first spoke out.

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<i>Hi, everyone, I'm Ashleigh,
and I run the cult awareness page.</i>

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<i>This is the first story
I think that I'm…</i>

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There was a lot of fear
of being judged or misunderstood.

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At the time there was so much fear in me

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and I was still trying
to understand what had happened

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and I still wasn't sure
where I sat and how I felt about it.

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And I was, kind of, oscillating between

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being really certain that something
was wrong, and that I'd left a cult.

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And then also at other times
wondering if I was wrong to leave,

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and that perhaps
I'd fallen off a spiritual path.

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But I just, kind of,
had this need that I needed…

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I just needed to say something.

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<i>Ask the teachers. Actually ask them,</i>

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<i>"Are you sending women
to be initiated by the guru?</i>

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<i>Is that happening?"</i>

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<i>Just watch them squirm.
They'll either deny it…</i>

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I thought that I would feel really silly

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if I just went to my local police station,
and said,

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"Hey, I had this experience
in France. Can you help me?"

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I just felt really silly.
I didn't know where to go.

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So when I first heard
about the experience of the people

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in the first school, in Scandinavia,

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they put me in touch
with Ashleigh, Ashleigh Freckleton.

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And what she sent me…

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I've never forgotten it.
I received it here.

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I remember it coming through on the email,
and it was her testimony.

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"The photo was taken the night before
I was trafficked to a foreign country

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for want of a better of a word, a cult."

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People don't show up at yoga classes,

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'cause, you know,
they wanna do bad in the world.

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They're, like,
looking for self-improvement.

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To be a better human, to…
That's why she's there.

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And there she is in the middle of London
looking like, really vibrant young woman,

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who's totally destroyed
by this experience.

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It's just wickedness to do that, isn't it?

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Uma wanted to publish
my testimony anonymously in the book.

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That was the first time
I felt like she gave a voice.

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Sort of, on a larger scale.
But then they came after her.

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In April of 2021,
I got a letter of claim, a legal letter.

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It basically says that all
the allegations that I've made are,

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"false, defamatory, severe."

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And it's going to cause their client,
"Loss of potential students.

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Serious financial losses."
Is their main concern.

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Initially, I think I felt disbelief,

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and then I was just terrified.

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They want me to tell them,

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"the identity and whereabouts
of all the parties who provided me

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with the information for you
to make the defamatory allegations."

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They wanna go after the survivors.
That's what this is about, isn't it?

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The whole process ended up
with me going to court three times,

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and it took about two years to complete.

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And in the end, the judge decided
that they had been out of time,

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and that there were
so many procedural errors

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that I won the court…
to get it thrown out of court,

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and it couldn't go any further.

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It was a disaster.

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Financially disastrous, yeah.

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But I kept thinking, you know?

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The stress I was under
was nothing compared to the deep suffering

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that those young women had gone through.

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What I felt was a kind of sickening sense

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that these really,
essentially good teachings

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had been twisted up to serve…

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the greed for power…

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of the person who was
in charge, who was teaching them.

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People didn't really speak
about him as a human being,

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more of a spiritual being.

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We were really encouraged to look at him

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as somebody who was
enlightened and elevated

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and whatever he taught was the truth.

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Almost as if he was Jesus.

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I knew that the school
had originated in Romania.

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And I was told,

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"Don't bother looking him up
because there's

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this long history with Romania
and religious persecution.

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And he started teaching yoga
when it was illegal.

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And he's been persecuted,
and demonized by the Romanian authorities.

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And that's all that you'll find.

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So, don't bother."

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This is a neighborhood
in the outskirts of Bucharest.

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It's called Ferentari.

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And this is known because the houses

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that are used as ashrams
by the group, MISA,

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most of them were around these streets.

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You can see there are
no windows or very small windows,

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very high fences.

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Many of them
have very large satellite antennas.

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And in 2004,

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police got information
that there was much more going on

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inside these houses
than some normal yoga classes.

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Back then, I was the case
prosecutor assigned to handle

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the investigation into Bivolaru.

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The police had received
a lot of complaints coming from parents,

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who told the authorities
that their children were missing

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because they had joined
this movement, MISA.

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They were concerned
that their children

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all of a sudden
were part of a movement, part of a cult

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and ended up breaking away from the family

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without a very clear explanation.

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Besides the fact that a lot of minors

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were believed to live in those ashrams,

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the police told the media
that they had information

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that there might be
human trafficking going on.

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That there might be
organized crime activities.

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There were some surprises
once we got inside.

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I was expecting to encounter people
from the criminal underworld.

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Some big muscular guys.

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But no.

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The women responded with silence
to every question.

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I didn't feel that they were free.

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I can honestly say I was shocked.

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There were about 20 beds.

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Fifteen of them, if not more,
had, at the end of each bed,

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a picture of Bivolaru.

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I was born in Transylvania,
a magical place.

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I got into yoga
through people my mother knew,

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who were seeking spirituality.

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It was a more alluring world

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that Romanians
didn't have access to before,

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because under Communism
there was a more closed mentality,

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and we didn't have access
to such information.

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After Communism,
people needed something to cling onto,

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something to believe in.

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To put their hopes,
their illusions in someone else.

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I was about 11 or 12
when my mum started attending classes.

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I wanted to attend, I was curious.

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It was so captivating to discover
that there was this spiritual guru,

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who had created this school of yoga.

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Someone with the answers
to all of our questions.

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Simply finding myself there,
close to the great master,

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it felt sacred
to experience something so intimate.

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The girls saw Grieg
as the supreme being Shiva,

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the symbol of masculinity and male energy.

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As a 15-year old girl,
I also began to see him as a god.

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Even later,
when the investigation started,

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we were still indoctrinated with this idea

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that those on the outside
wanted to harm us.

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That there was a conspiracy against us
because we were too spiritual.

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Right after the raids
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MISA started building up a defense
and organizing protests.

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And then, exactly when all the heat
was going on and all eyes were on MISA…

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Gregorian Bivolaru decided to appear

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on this very popular
TV show, <i>Marius Tucă…</i>

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just a few days
after the raids had happened.

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<i>Good evening.</i>

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<i>I would like to say
from the very beginning</i>

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<i>that I am not the leader of MISA,</i>

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<i>but merely the mentor of this movement.</i>

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<i>Why are you called Guru?</i>

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<i>I am only called a guru by the press
and those who seek to discredit me.</i>

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<i>I have always considered myself</i>

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<i>to be the yoga teacher,
Gregorian Bivolaru.</i>

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<i>Have you had sex
with any of the followers of MISA?</i>

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<i>I never have sex with anyone,</i>

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<i>because having sex is something degrading.</i>

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<i>Have you made love
to any of the followers of MISA?</i>

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<i>Did I make love? Yes, I did make love.</i>

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<i>Not sexually degrading,
but natural loving relationships,</i>

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<i>as we all know them,
based on love and mutual respect.</i>

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I was initiated at the beginning of 2000.

239
00:16:59,436 --> 00:17:01,396
I was a virgin.

240
00:17:03,273 --> 00:17:06,777
I won't go into too much detail

241
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:10,405
but it wasn't very special.

242
00:17:10,489 --> 00:17:13,450
I didn't feel any pleasure,
quite the contrary.

243
00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:18,664
I remember that the bed
was full of blood, but he wasn't upset.

244
00:17:20,165 --> 00:17:24,377
I remember that tears
were running down my face.

245
00:17:29,341 --> 00:17:32,553
I was 15 years and 6 months old.

246
00:17:37,766 --> 00:17:41,812
<i>Everything is manifested,
everything is harmony.</i>

247
00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:47,693
<i>God is the supreme creator
of all that exists.</i>

248
00:17:47,776 --> 00:17:51,488
<i>We must come to know Him
as deeply as possible</i>

249
00:17:51,572 --> 00:17:55,325
<i>through the practice of yoga,
in order to reach the divine state.</i>

250
00:17:56,368 --> 00:17:59,830
He had a certain charisma.

251
00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:06,420
But it was not a physical charisma.
He was never an attractive man.

252
00:18:07,629 --> 00:18:13,302
We constantly transfigured him
and put him on a pedestal.

253
00:18:15,262 --> 00:18:21,852
<i>Okay, I'm going to do this for everyone
who follows me, for one minute.</i>

254
00:18:21,935 --> 00:18:24,605
<i>I will create a state of happiness</i>

255
00:18:24,688 --> 00:18:29,818
<i>for those who are open to receiving it.</i>

256
00:18:29,902 --> 00:18:34,573
<i>Through my connection
to infinite spheres of beneficial force</i>

257
00:18:34,656 --> 00:18:35,991
<i>that exist in the macrocosm.</i>

258
00:18:36,575 --> 00:18:38,827
<i>So, I will begin now.</i>

259
00:18:38,911 --> 00:18:43,874
He said that he's going to, kind of,
transmit a state of absolute happiness,

260
00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:49,004
to the viewers who are open
to believing in his philosophy.

261
00:19:00,641 --> 00:19:03,227
We burst out laughing when we saw this.

262
00:19:07,523 --> 00:19:12,861
You would start to wonder if that man
is okay from a mental point of view.

263
00:19:20,744 --> 00:19:22,746
I've been involved in fighting

264
00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:26,625
against types of movements
and cults for many years.

265
00:19:29,044 --> 00:19:32,756
So that's how I became
to be interested in MISA.

266
00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:38,887
I wanted to understand the modus operandi.

267
00:19:38,971 --> 00:19:42,015
What was going on with MISA in France.

268
00:19:42,391 --> 00:19:46,186
And I started to read
and to slowly investigate.

269
00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:50,274
It was something
very well organized and always the same.

270
00:19:52,776 --> 00:19:56,905
So they organized a, kind of, strategy

271
00:19:56,989 --> 00:20:01,535
where they ask women
from everywhere around the world,

272
00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:02,995
except from France,

273
00:20:03,078 --> 00:20:05,122
to come to France for initiation

274
00:20:05,205 --> 00:20:08,417
to improve
their personal development and so on.

275
00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:13,922
After that they go back
to their original country.

276
00:20:14,715 --> 00:20:18,927
And when you are 1,000 km away,
what can you do? Just nothing.

277
00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:23,807
It's difficult to accept

278
00:20:23,891 --> 00:20:28,270
that somebody is completely
under the control of someone else.

279
00:20:29,188 --> 00:20:33,734
First of all, you absolutely need to have
testimonies from the victims.

280
00:20:34,484 --> 00:20:37,070
And it was a, kind of,
protection for Bivolaru

281
00:20:37,154 --> 00:20:40,282
to not have complaints
in France from French victims.

282
00:20:41,491 --> 00:20:44,995
I had reported
to the Royal Charity Commission in the UK.

283
00:20:45,537 --> 00:20:47,122
Nothing had come of that.

284
00:20:47,748 --> 00:20:51,001
Like, I put something on
Crime Stoppers International.

285
00:20:51,084 --> 00:20:53,086
And I followed that up,
maybe once or twice,

286
00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:56,882
and it never came to fruition.
No one ever got back to me,

287
00:20:56,965 --> 00:20:59,885
no one ever seemed
to want to take my testimony.

288
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:05,807
I put some alerts on my computer.

289
00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:09,937
Paris. Romania. Guru. Cult.

290
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,774
And I quickly found

291
00:21:13,857 --> 00:21:16,610
this article in an Australian newspaper.

292
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:20,155
Paris. Romania. Guru. Cult.

293
00:21:20,239 --> 00:21:22,032
The testimony of Ashleigh.

294
00:21:24,826 --> 00:21:25,827
"Hello, Ashleigh,

295
00:21:26,954 --> 00:21:29,414
allow me to introduce myself…"

296
00:21:30,374 --> 00:21:33,627
It actually is… Yeah, it's pretty
wild, because from where I was sitting

297
00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:36,255
at that point he was just
some random guy in France.

298
00:21:37,673 --> 00:21:38,799
And yet,

299
00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:42,344
he's the missing piece that I needed
to connect in with the foreign police.

300
00:21:44,096 --> 00:21:48,267
So I was in touch with Ashleigh,
and transmitted this testimony

301
00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:50,769
to the department of police

302
00:21:50,853 --> 00:21:55,357
in charge of what is going on
in terms of cults in France.

303
00:22:05,617 --> 00:22:09,454
We knew there were some problems

304
00:22:09,538 --> 00:22:13,375
with this movement, but before 2021

305
00:22:13,458 --> 00:22:16,587
we hadn't really started investigating.

306
00:22:21,091 --> 00:22:23,677
The crucial first step,
is to hear from the victims.

307
00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:29,433
Caimades, which is a very
specialized anti-cult unit,

308
00:22:29,975 --> 00:22:34,021
did reach out and said that they wanted
to receive my testimony verbally.

309
00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:38,400
Then they asked me
if I wanted to make a formal complaint.

310
00:22:38,483 --> 00:22:39,484
And I said yes.

311
00:22:41,361 --> 00:22:44,865
We realized there was a clear possibility

312
00:22:44,948 --> 00:22:48,243
that Gregorian Bivolaru
was on French soil.

313
00:22:49,453 --> 00:22:51,955
But it was very delicate,
because there was a risk

314
00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:53,957
that Gregorian Bivolaru would escape.

315
00:22:54,041 --> 00:22:59,171
And with the network he had in place,
he would have vanished.

316
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:10,349
<i>Gregorian Bivolaru
is on trial for five counts.</i>

317
00:23:10,432 --> 00:23:13,560
<i>These include multiple sexual offenses</i>

318
00:23:13,644 --> 00:23:15,771
<i>sexual corruption, trafficking of minors,</i>

319
00:23:15,854 --> 00:23:21,693
<i>engaging in sexual relations with minors,
and attempted illegal border crossings.</i>

320
00:23:21,777 --> 00:23:25,906
After the raids, Gregorian Bivolaru
denied all of the charges.

321
00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:29,910
<i>What do you plan to do now?
Will you try to hide?</i>

322
00:23:29,993 --> 00:23:33,413
<i>No, I will not try to hide,
I have no reason to hide.</i>

323
00:23:33,497 --> 00:23:37,793
But then a trial had begun,
and he was nowhere to be found.

324
00:23:37,876 --> 00:23:39,795
He didn't show up in court.

325
00:23:40,921 --> 00:23:42,798
And the next thing we found out

326
00:23:42,881 --> 00:23:46,343
was that Gregorian Bivolaru
appears somewhere in Sweden.

327
00:23:47,302 --> 00:23:48,804
<i>Captured! Gregorian Bivolaru,</i>

328
00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:52,057
<i>the most wanted Romanian in recent times,
has been caught and detained in Sweden.</i>

329
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,728
There had only been, like, 15 years

330
00:23:56,812 --> 00:24:00,190
since the fall of the communist regime.

331
00:24:01,942 --> 00:24:07,364
So MISA was using this argument
that was still sensitive in Romania.

332
00:24:07,447 --> 00:24:11,702
Saying that Romania
is still a corrupt country,

333
00:24:11,785 --> 00:24:15,080
is still a country where police use force.

334
00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:17,958
Everything in order to convince

335
00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:21,461
the Swedish authorities
to refuse extradition request.

336
00:24:21,545 --> 00:24:23,755
<i>A body blow
for the Romanian justice system.</i>

337
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,133
<i>Gregorian Bivolaru cannot be extradited.</i>

338
00:24:26,216 --> 00:24:28,969
<i>That's what the Supreme Court
of Justice in Stockholm ruled today.</i>

339
00:24:29,887 --> 00:24:32,431
<i>Swedish judges feared
that the spiritual leader of MISA</i>

340
00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:34,349
<i>would be persecuted in Romania.</i>

341
00:24:34,933 --> 00:24:39,479
In 2004 he escaped Romania
to go to Sweden.

342
00:24:40,314 --> 00:24:42,566
So officially he was living in Sweden.

343
00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:46,820
But there is evidence
that since at least 2007,

344
00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:49,448
he went to France and stayed in France.

345
00:24:59,249 --> 00:25:02,836
Everything I did
was very much connected with the school.

346
00:25:03,629 --> 00:25:06,173
It was my life for quite a few years.

347
00:25:08,717 --> 00:25:12,721
And then I started to date
people outside of the school,

348
00:25:12,804 --> 00:25:17,392
and met somebody
and had a child, so my focus shifted.

349
00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:23,106
I was quite disappointed, because
there wasn't so much understanding,

350
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:29,488
that life with a small child requires
huge amounts of dedication and energy.

351
00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:31,907
And I felt very much left behind.

352
00:25:35,118 --> 00:25:38,455
I was dedicating myself
wholeheartedly to motherhood.

353
00:25:38,539 --> 00:25:40,958
And a friend of mine called me and said,

354
00:25:41,041 --> 00:25:45,045
"Look, you know, there are some things
that I would like to share with you."

355
00:25:47,297 --> 00:25:51,301
So my friend came one evening
and sat on the sofa,

356
00:25:51,385 --> 00:25:57,349
and began to give me accounts
of women having really awful experiences.

357
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,479
For me, I went in because I wanted to.

358
00:26:02,563 --> 00:26:04,565
Like, I really, really wanted it.

359
00:26:04,648 --> 00:26:08,735
So I never felt that I had
to do anything against my own will.

360
00:26:08,819 --> 00:26:11,613
It was 100% my choice.

361
00:26:15,242 --> 00:26:17,202
But at the same time,

362
00:26:17,286 --> 00:26:22,958
there was a huge underlying pressure
for a lot of people to do things

363
00:26:23,041 --> 00:26:27,379
against themselves, and against their will
and against their boundaries.

364
00:26:27,462 --> 00:26:30,090
Because there wasn't really that safety

365
00:26:30,174 --> 00:26:33,719
to say,
"Actually I don't want to do this."

366
00:26:40,309 --> 00:26:44,605
Webcams were quite a recent business

367
00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:48,317
when I got to the core of MISA.

368
00:26:50,444 --> 00:26:55,991
Officially, I wasn't allowed
to do webcam work because I was underage.

369
00:26:56,074 --> 00:26:59,703
But it was considered completely normal
to make a few appearances

370
00:26:59,786 --> 00:27:02,080
using other girls' passports.

371
00:27:02,164 --> 00:27:06,084
As long as you looked similar
you could do whatever.

372
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:11,173
That was when I understood the scale.

373
00:27:11,256 --> 00:27:15,093
You saw that they had 40 ashrams.

374
00:27:15,177 --> 00:27:20,432
Entire buildings were purchased,
their HQ and hotels in Costinești.

375
00:27:20,516 --> 00:27:25,229
I understood that all the prosperity
of this "not for profit" organization

376
00:27:25,312 --> 00:27:28,941
came from the websites and the webcams.

377
00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:39,493
I signed a contract, they took a photo.

378
00:27:40,244 --> 00:27:43,497
And they said one of the reasons why

379
00:27:43,956 --> 00:27:46,959
this place is so special

380
00:27:47,042 --> 00:27:53,006
is because the profit
from the site goes to him.

381
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:54,758
Goes to Grieg.

382
00:28:00,097 --> 00:28:04,351
In terms of our growth
and our development in the school,

383
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,479
it started and ended with Grieg.

384
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:13,777
There were very many teachers
in the school

385
00:28:13,861 --> 00:28:18,991
who were
incredibly intelligent and charismatic.

386
00:28:19,074 --> 00:28:23,245
And all of them were just so devoted
to this human being.

387
00:28:25,581 --> 00:28:29,459
But anybody familiar
with the yin and yang symbol,

388
00:28:29,543 --> 00:28:33,922
we know that in each light
there's always a speck of darkness.

389
00:28:35,924 --> 00:28:39,678
Just like in each darkness
there's always a speck of light.

390
00:28:41,555 --> 00:28:43,182
I guess I made an assumption

391
00:28:43,265 --> 00:28:46,518
that the speck of darkness
in him was really small.

392
00:28:48,228 --> 00:28:50,898
But from everything that's been uncovered,

393
00:28:50,981 --> 00:28:54,776
maybe the speck of darkness
is much bigger than what we assumed.

394
00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:01,700
MISA and Gregorian Bivolaru

395
00:29:01,783 --> 00:29:08,290
have always presented Bivolaru
as both a victim and a hero.

396
00:29:10,501 --> 00:29:14,838
That he has always been
oppressed, attacked, harassed,

397
00:29:14,922 --> 00:29:17,257
jailed, tortured, beaten…

398
00:29:19,259 --> 00:29:23,722
by the hands
of the former secret police of Romania.

399
00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:25,516
It's called the Securitate.

400
00:29:32,105 --> 00:29:35,526
During the communist regime
we indeed lived

401
00:29:35,609 --> 00:29:39,279
in a closed and totalitarian society.
That is true.

402
00:29:41,156 --> 00:29:47,788
But now, years after,
we can actually look up in these files

403
00:29:47,871 --> 00:29:50,207
and see what really happened.

404
00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:05,931
The first mention…

405
00:30:07,391 --> 00:30:11,812
of the Securitate
surveilling Gregorian Bivolaru

406
00:30:13,063 --> 00:30:17,609
dates back from 1971.

407
00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:23,240
Back then
Gregorian Bivolaru was 19 years old,

408
00:30:23,323 --> 00:30:26,994
and he was in his last high school year.

409
00:30:28,203 --> 00:30:34,168
They discover that he was in contact
with foreign citizens

410
00:30:34,251 --> 00:30:39,173
whom he was asking
for pornographic materials,

411
00:30:39,256 --> 00:30:42,301
such as, like, photos, magazines.

412
00:30:42,843 --> 00:30:45,137
So we have one of those letters.

413
00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:47,931
I think it was '72.

414
00:30:50,058 --> 00:30:51,685
"I know a lot of things

415
00:30:51,768 --> 00:30:56,899
about your sexual freedom in Sweden,
and I want to obtain pictures."

416
00:30:56,982 --> 00:31:02,696
"Do you want to send me sexy photos
and sexy slides from Sweden?"

417
00:31:02,779 --> 00:31:03,780
Another letter,

418
00:31:03,864 --> 00:31:06,950
"I have a great sympathy
for the German people,

419
00:31:07,034 --> 00:31:08,285
and in your sexy photos

420
00:31:08,368 --> 00:31:13,457
I can see the emancipated comprehension
of the sexuality in Germany."

421
00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:18,462
Later on, he was actually
convicted to prison

422
00:31:18,545 --> 00:31:23,592
because he owned
and distributed pornographic materials.

423
00:31:23,675 --> 00:31:26,345
He was not jailed
because he was a yoga practitioner.

424
00:31:26,428 --> 00:31:28,138
This is what we see from the files.

425
00:31:29,473 --> 00:31:31,642
In the summer of 1989,

426
00:31:31,725 --> 00:31:36,480
raids were organized by Securitate
in several cities in Romania

427
00:31:36,563 --> 00:31:40,025
to dismantle groups
that were practicing yoga.

428
00:31:43,612 --> 00:31:47,115
Yoga had been forbidden since 1982.

429
00:31:47,199 --> 00:31:51,328
Bivolaru was leading such a group,
so he was, again, detained.

430
00:31:51,411 --> 00:31:56,708
But this time the Securitate decided
that his place was not in a prison,

431
00:31:56,792 --> 00:32:00,045
but in a psychiatric medical unit.

432
00:32:03,423 --> 00:32:07,678
He is basically portrayed as…

433
00:32:07,761 --> 00:32:09,012
sexually obsessed.

434
00:32:11,223 --> 00:32:15,102
So in his own words, back from 1989,

435
00:32:15,185 --> 00:32:17,062
he tells the Securitate agents

436
00:32:17,145 --> 00:32:22,442
that, "One day somewhere in 1986 or 1987,

437
00:32:22,526 --> 00:32:28,782
I met near my house
a young 12-year-old brunette girl,

438
00:32:28,866 --> 00:32:30,117
I think she was a gypsy.

439
00:32:32,661 --> 00:32:35,706
And I asked this close friend of mine

440
00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:39,918
to have intimate relations with the girl.

441
00:32:40,002 --> 00:32:43,922
And afterwards to present her to me

442
00:32:44,006 --> 00:32:48,051
in order for me
to initiate her in sexual tantras."

443
00:32:48,468 --> 00:32:50,846
This shows a potential interest

444
00:32:50,929 --> 00:32:55,767
in very young women
since so many, many years ago.

445
00:32:57,019 --> 00:33:01,273
And also it goes on saying
that Bivolaru, over the years,

446
00:33:01,356 --> 00:33:06,153
has asked his women friends
to recruit other women for him.

447
00:33:09,072 --> 00:33:12,451
He was subject to psychiatric exam,

448
00:33:13,744 --> 00:33:18,415
which says that he lacks
the mental capacity

449
00:33:18,498 --> 00:33:21,168
to assess his own actions, his own needs.

450
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,046
And then just a few months later…

451
00:33:25,255 --> 00:33:27,925
the communist regime in Romania fell.

452
00:33:29,384 --> 00:33:33,388
And soon after, special commission
of this psychiatric unit

453
00:33:33,472 --> 00:33:36,099
decided to release Gregorian Bivolaru.

454
00:33:36,934 --> 00:33:40,938
And soon after that, in 1990

455
00:33:41,021 --> 00:33:44,066
the group called MISA took birth.

456
00:33:50,239 --> 00:33:54,618
So after Prague,
I travelled back to the UK,

457
00:33:55,327 --> 00:33:57,579
and I started to realize

458
00:33:57,663 --> 00:34:01,166
how extremist the teachings
and practices of the school were.

459
00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:07,881
And there was this website
that was made by people

460
00:34:07,965 --> 00:34:09,716
who were enemies of the school.

461
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:14,804
We were told that it was demonic
and it was better not to look at it.

462
00:34:16,056 --> 00:34:21,603
So New Year's Eve, '21-'22,
at home on my own, I did look at it…

463
00:34:22,938 --> 00:34:24,648
and it was like a mirror.

464
00:34:27,234 --> 00:34:29,695
It just confirmed
what I was already feeling.

465
00:34:31,612 --> 00:34:33,532
All of those moments of doubt

466
00:34:33,614 --> 00:34:36,534
or incongruence, now made sense.

467
00:34:37,286 --> 00:34:39,746
And this word "cult", that before

468
00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:42,916
I hadn't been willing to accept.

469
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,253
I thought that it was a term
that was used to denigrate

470
00:34:46,335 --> 00:34:49,255
religion and spirituality
and keep people away from it.

471
00:34:51,216 --> 00:34:53,302
At that point, on that New Year's Eve,

472
00:34:53,385 --> 00:34:55,929
I realized for the first time
that I had to leave.

473
00:34:56,013 --> 00:34:57,514
And I had to leave completely.

474
00:34:57,598 --> 00:35:00,684
And I had to do something about it
and I had to speak out.

475
00:35:01,768 --> 00:35:05,647
And then it became really clear,

476
00:35:05,731 --> 00:35:09,735
their true colors
and what they were actually capable of.

477
00:35:12,237 --> 00:35:18,243
So, they claimed that everything
was consensual and framed me as a liar.

478
00:35:18,327 --> 00:35:21,788
And people who I thought
were my friends were

479
00:35:21,872 --> 00:35:25,459
lying about me and saying, you know,
how I'd fallen from the path.

480
00:35:26,376 --> 00:35:31,548
It made me feel sad that
that whole foundation of community,

481
00:35:31,632 --> 00:35:36,386
which had been such an important part
of me remaining in there for those years,

482
00:35:36,762 --> 00:35:39,056
was completely inauthentic.

483
00:35:39,139 --> 00:35:41,850
Wasn't a real community,
those weren't real friendships.

484
00:35:41,934 --> 00:35:46,855
And there was no opportunity
for you to truly be yourself.

485
00:35:53,278 --> 00:35:57,741
I got a phone call from
my first relationship at the time, Paula.

486
00:35:59,034 --> 00:36:01,954
Initially, she wasn't prepared
to discuss any of it,

487
00:36:02,037 --> 00:36:05,457
but she revealed everything
and it was just…

488
00:36:05,541 --> 00:36:09,753
the final confirmation that I realized,
like, this was the last straw.

489
00:36:17,302 --> 00:36:20,973
The fourth and last visit
was in October of 2019.

490
00:36:28,105 --> 00:36:31,275
I wanted to move, to kind of,
leave from this position I was,

491
00:36:31,358 --> 00:36:35,821
and he grabbed both my wrists
and put them on the bed.

492
00:36:35,904 --> 00:36:40,826
Like, "Be quiet." And then, eventually,
a little bit more after that,

493
00:36:40,909 --> 00:36:44,246
he didn't keep them, but he put them,
you know, and then took his hands off.

494
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:46,540
And then a few minutes afterwards

495
00:36:46,623 --> 00:36:49,501
I started crying
so that he will just get off me.

496
00:36:52,004 --> 00:36:54,840
And then he was screaming
at me for, like, three hours.

497
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:57,885
Saying that I was never
gonna be invited there again.

498
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:00,888
'Cause I didn't deserve it,
'cause I didn't love him.

499
00:37:02,014 --> 00:37:05,392
Then after I left his room
and I went to a room with the girls,

500
00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:09,271
he came into the room and he continued
saying horrible things to me.

501
00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:12,274
Like, he just repeated everything
he said in his room to me alone,

502
00:37:12,357 --> 00:37:13,650
in front of the girls.

503
00:37:15,485 --> 00:37:17,779
At that point I said,
"I'm never again coming here."

504
00:37:17,863 --> 00:37:20,324
I had a really clear,
like, "This is just…

505
00:37:20,407 --> 00:37:24,286
This is the opposite
of what I ever thought it would be."

506
00:37:24,369 --> 00:37:25,454
You know?

507
00:37:26,121 --> 00:37:29,625
Like, this is super traumatic,
like, it's not enjoyable at all.

508
00:37:29,917 --> 00:37:34,796
Like, I'm being forced to pretend
that I wanna do something I don't want to.

509
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,259
And I'm being humiliated
because I don't want to. You know?

510
00:37:43,013 --> 00:37:44,973
That was the straw
that broke the camel's back.

511
00:37:45,057 --> 00:37:47,518
I just…
I couldn't take any more at that point.

512
00:37:47,601 --> 00:37:51,396
Just felt like, "I gotta get outta here.
I can't do this anymore."

513
00:37:53,732 --> 00:37:56,777
This investigator
from France contacted me.

514
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:58,904
So I did agree to give my testimony.

515
00:38:01,698 --> 00:38:05,369
It's not easy
for victims of cult crimes to testify.

516
00:38:06,453 --> 00:38:09,748
These victims
are under someone else's control.

517
00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:13,794
This psychological control prevents them
from considering themselves as victims.

518
00:38:16,171 --> 00:38:20,968
They have to trust the investigators
to tell us what happened.

519
00:38:21,051 --> 00:38:24,930
They have to feel
that we listen and understand.

520
00:38:27,516 --> 00:38:31,228
I was contacted by this special unit.

521
00:38:31,645 --> 00:38:33,689
And through the questioning techniques,

522
00:38:33,772 --> 00:38:36,441
and the use of language
of this French unit,

523
00:38:36,525 --> 00:38:38,277
I could tell that they understood.

524
00:38:39,069 --> 00:38:41,905
I gave them my testimony.

525
00:38:41,989 --> 00:38:46,910
I just knew that that's what I had to do.
There was no other choice for me.

526
00:38:49,162 --> 00:38:50,581
By the time they spoke to me,

527
00:38:50,664 --> 00:38:53,250
they'd already taken statements
from a few others.

528
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:58,046
And I really felt that,
"Okay, this is ten years ago for me,

529
00:38:58,130 --> 00:39:00,424
but there are still women
going through this now."

530
00:39:02,092 --> 00:39:04,595
I mean, I knew that I was a victim
of sex trafficking and rape,

531
00:39:04,678 --> 00:39:07,639
and that was clear from, like,
even the therapy that I'd done,

532
00:39:07,723 --> 00:39:09,975
and some of the things
that I had read until that point.

533
00:39:10,058 --> 00:39:13,312
But it was something about having
the police actually say it back to me,

534
00:39:13,395 --> 00:39:17,316
after hearing all of my
very personal details from multiple days,

535
00:39:17,399 --> 00:39:19,776
having them say,
"Yes, this is what happened.

536
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:22,279
And it's a very serious crime
under French law,

537
00:39:23,572 --> 00:39:27,034
and we will be absolutely
pursuing this as far as we can."

538
00:39:30,078 --> 00:39:33,165
At the right moment,
with the magistrate's permission,

539
00:39:33,248 --> 00:39:35,042
we launched a large scale operation.

540
00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:39,421
We had almost 170 officers on the ground.

541
00:39:40,589 --> 00:39:43,800
Right before the operation,
we still had some doubts.

542
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:48,180
What were we going to find
behind those doors,

543
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:53,519
behind which no one had ever
managed to catch a glimpse?

544
00:39:55,979 --> 00:39:59,983
<i>175 police officers mobilized.
40 simultaneous arrests.</i>

545
00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:02,277
<i>All linked to a sectarian yoga cult.</i>

546
00:40:02,361 --> 00:40:03,987
"Tantric yoga guru arrested

547
00:40:04,071 --> 00:40:06,698
over accusations of sexual abuse
and exploitation in France."

548
00:40:07,157 --> 00:40:09,868
<i>He is suspected
of abusing dozens of women.</i>

549
00:40:09,952 --> 00:40:12,412
Just elated. I don't know.
It's just… I don't…

550
00:40:12,496 --> 00:40:15,332
Like, I honestly when Ziggy called me,
I didn't really have…

551
00:40:15,415 --> 00:40:17,251
I don't… I can't really find the words.

552
00:40:17,334 --> 00:40:20,879
<i>The guru lived
in this small apartment near Paris</i>

553
00:40:20,963 --> 00:40:22,631
<i>where he was arrested yesterday.</i>

554
00:40:22,714 --> 00:40:25,759
It just feels like
the start of the reckoning

555
00:40:25,843 --> 00:40:28,428
that we all wanted to see happen.

556
00:40:28,804 --> 00:40:31,723
<i>He would choose a certain number of women</i>

557
00:40:31,807 --> 00:40:35,978
<i>from all over the world to be initiated.</i>

558
00:40:36,061 --> 00:40:39,356
<i>Sexual initiation
under the pretext of personal development.</i>

559
00:40:40,065 --> 00:40:42,276
At first I wasn't sure if it was real.

560
00:40:42,359 --> 00:40:46,989
It was, like, just a lot of
shock and awe, and gratitude, and relief.

561
00:40:48,365 --> 00:40:49,616
Come in.

562
00:40:50,409 --> 00:40:53,453
<i>Suspected of being the head of a cult.</i>

563
00:40:53,537 --> 00:40:58,292
<i>Accused of rape,
human trafficking and organized crime.</i>

564
00:40:58,375 --> 00:41:01,128
We're not there yet.
This is just the first step

565
00:41:01,211 --> 00:41:03,589
in what will be a pretty lengthy process.

566
00:41:03,672 --> 00:41:07,676
But at least we know
he can't be doing this any longer.

567
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,894
At the time of the operation,

568
00:41:16,977 --> 00:41:19,146
the charges against the movement
were as follows:

569
00:41:20,898 --> 00:41:23,817
Abuse of weakness
using psychological control.

570
00:41:24,526 --> 00:41:27,779
Human trafficking and rape.

571
00:41:32,659 --> 00:41:35,871
Do you think he's a criminal
guilty of those crimes?

572
00:41:41,001 --> 00:41:43,504
Once I took my experiences

573
00:41:43,587 --> 00:41:47,341
and the events that had happened to me
out of the context of their dogma,

574
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:53,180
and applied it to the context
of other normal people's reactions,

575
00:41:53,263 --> 00:41:58,393
my own feelings and experiences,
legal definitions,

576
00:41:58,477 --> 00:42:03,440
then I understood that what had happened
was trafficking and rape.

577
00:42:06,568 --> 00:42:10,489
This a… Yes, in my system.

578
00:42:11,198 --> 00:42:15,619
And also the story's complicated.

579
00:42:20,707 --> 00:42:23,710
But ultimately the responsibility lies…

580
00:42:24,461 --> 00:42:25,712
with him.

581
00:42:29,591 --> 00:42:32,719
To me it was just like
a bad experience until then.

582
00:42:32,803 --> 00:42:34,721
And then talking to my therapist,
she was like,

583
00:42:34,805 --> 00:42:38,517
"You know, let's just put the name
for the things that happened."

584
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:41,937
"When you were kidnapped…"

585
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:45,858
She started to use all of these words
in therapy. It was really conflicting.

586
00:42:45,941 --> 00:42:47,901
It was like,
"I don't wanna hear that."

587
00:42:47,985 --> 00:42:49,444
"That's not what happened."

588
00:42:49,528 --> 00:42:51,321
And she was like…
She really helped me

589
00:42:51,405 --> 00:42:54,366
to start putting names
on the things that really, like…

590
00:42:54,449 --> 00:42:57,077
To really name properly
the things that happened.

591
00:42:58,328 --> 00:43:01,790
And then when I saw the charges
that we were accusing him of,

592
00:43:01,874 --> 00:43:04,126
and then it said "rape".

593
00:43:04,209 --> 00:43:08,130
And then it was an explanation
of what rape means for the French law.

594
00:43:10,174 --> 00:43:13,969
Any type of sexual interaction
that you had,

595
00:43:14,052 --> 00:43:17,514
that was done through
manipulation or coercion,

596
00:43:17,598 --> 00:43:18,974
it's also called rape.

597
00:43:26,398 --> 00:43:30,611
We don't have to talk a lot.
We just have to read

598
00:43:30,694 --> 00:43:34,156
after your declaration,
to check that there are no mistakes…

599
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,492
I do worry about the fact
that I ultimately resisted,

600
00:43:37,576 --> 00:43:39,328
and I ultimately did say no.

601
00:43:39,411 --> 00:43:41,747
And I left and I wasn't initiated.

602
00:43:42,539 --> 00:43:47,002
I didn't endure
the same horrors that others did.

603
00:43:47,085 --> 00:43:51,215
Therefore is that an indication
that their consent was valid,

604
00:43:51,298 --> 00:43:52,716
because I was able to say no?

605
00:43:56,637 --> 00:43:59,598
So this is the beginning
of the shops on the Cowley Road.

606
00:44:00,641 --> 00:44:03,060
So you can see the sign from here.
You see it?

607
00:44:05,646 --> 00:44:07,981
They're not going to say
that this didn't happen,

608
00:44:08,065 --> 00:44:11,693
they're going to say
that everybody consented.

609
00:44:11,777 --> 00:44:13,320
And therefore no crime occurred.

610
00:44:15,697 --> 00:44:18,992
That's the whole debate in this case.

611
00:44:19,076 --> 00:44:23,705
That is what the accused maintain:
that everybody was free.

612
00:44:24,873 --> 00:44:29,419
Every branch that was open
when I left is still open.

613
00:44:30,003 --> 00:44:31,713
They target students particularly.

614
00:44:31,797 --> 00:44:34,299
So it's really upsetting to think that

615
00:44:34,383 --> 00:44:37,344
a young impressionable person,
but potentially anyone,

616
00:44:37,427 --> 00:44:42,641
could just walk into that yoga studio
and have a yoga class, just like I did.

617
00:44:42,724 --> 00:44:47,604
Without knowing that it's connected
to Bivolaru, and MISA and that man.

618
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,150
I can see, as a lawyer

619
00:44:52,526 --> 00:44:58,615
dealing in these kind of cases,

620
00:44:58,699 --> 00:45:03,161
that all of these women
were under psychological control

621
00:45:03,245 --> 00:45:06,707
when they experienced
the acts they have reported.

622
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:12,212
What is illegal in France,
is when you're part of a group

623
00:45:12,296 --> 00:45:15,591
and through a certain number
of conditioning techniques,

624
00:45:15,674 --> 00:45:18,468
you are stripped of your free will.

625
00:45:21,138 --> 00:45:23,891
I think that if it makes it to trial,

626
00:45:23,974 --> 00:45:27,060
it certainly won't happen
within the next year,

627
00:45:27,436 --> 00:45:30,480
and possibly not for two or three years.

628
00:45:33,025 --> 00:45:34,526
We wait.

629
00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:36,820
We wait proactively.

630
00:45:36,904 --> 00:45:40,657
We have a saying in France. I don't know
if the translator will get this:

631
00:45:40,741 --> 00:45:44,036
"We wait like soldiers,
weapons by our side,

632
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,247
ready for action."

633
00:46:01,803 --> 00:46:03,889
It's been crazy actually. You know.

634
00:46:03,972 --> 00:46:07,518
I'm just still
trying to make sense of it all.

635
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,021
Just finding myself again.

636
00:46:17,903 --> 00:46:21,240
I miss the community, I miss the teaching.

637
00:46:21,323 --> 00:46:24,076
I miss being so incredibly inspired.

638
00:46:25,369 --> 00:46:31,291
And I've also learned that we can't
just keep a gaze up to the light,

639
00:46:31,375 --> 00:46:33,168
when we're standing in a pile of shit.

640
00:46:36,505 --> 00:46:40,259
The time that I spent actually
in there and working alongside

641
00:46:40,342 --> 00:46:42,261
the other community members,

642
00:46:42,344 --> 00:46:45,764
I still feel like there's a sense
of accomplishment behind all of that.

643
00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:51,728
I have often wondered
what my life would be like

644
00:46:51,812 --> 00:46:54,857
if I hadn't been
in this organization for seven years.

645
00:46:56,024 --> 00:46:58,443
Maybe I would have had children.
I don't know.

646
00:46:58,527 --> 00:47:02,698
Like, maybe I'd have been in a long term,
monogamous relationship for that time.

647
00:47:02,781 --> 00:47:04,867
It's just really hard to know
what would have happened,

648
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:06,952
and how life would have been.

649
00:47:10,873 --> 00:47:14,501
I think it's good to be curious about

650
00:47:14,585 --> 00:47:20,716
why we're here in this incredible planet.

651
00:47:22,050 --> 00:47:27,681
But life is hard.
Life is painful. Life is confusing.

652
00:47:27,764 --> 00:47:30,017
A lot of really horrible things happen,

653
00:47:30,475 --> 00:47:33,896
and we don't have the explanation for why,

654
00:47:33,979 --> 00:47:36,106
and maybe we're not supposed to.

655
00:47:39,026 --> 00:47:43,447
Some of my childhood dreams
were shattered

656
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:45,949
by this cult and this way of life.

657
00:47:46,408 --> 00:47:50,245
I think it's our moral duty
to take a stand. To have a voice

658
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:52,497
and to not let ourselves be intimidated.

659
00:47:53,373 --> 00:47:56,210
We have no reason to be ashamed.

660
00:47:56,835 --> 00:47:59,838
As I like to say in English,

661
00:47:59,922 --> 00:48:04,259
Only if you lose your fear,
you have the power to take their power.

662
00:48:07,596 --> 00:48:09,473
I'm still trying to figure out

663
00:48:09,556 --> 00:48:11,725
where I sit on the spiritual spectrum.

664
00:48:11,808 --> 00:48:13,268
Good boy, Gill.

665
00:48:13,352 --> 00:48:16,855
There is a sense of spirituality
there, but I don't know

666
00:48:16,939 --> 00:48:20,442
what I believe in anymore, and I'm
still trying to make sense of that.

667
00:48:22,569 --> 00:48:28,116
Since then, I realized
that I have this really deep connection

668
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,454
with the spirituality, if we want
to call it god, or the universe or source,

669
00:48:32,538 --> 00:48:36,625
that I have such a deep experience
that I don't need a guru.

670
00:48:36,708 --> 00:48:40,963
I don't need anybody else.
All of this exists within me.


